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Cake day: July 11th, 2023

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  • He ripped you apart for the use of proverb/appeal to authority. You need to know your fallacies if you’re gonna argue. An early game mistake, but you gotta roll with the punches.

    OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.

    This is where you could have clarified your argument. Something to the effect of “I’m not trying to make the claim that OP was being actively malicious. I’m saying that he was adding to the greater misery of all people by posting negative news that has no effect on anybody outside the family it happened to.” Remember to never use the phrase “I didn’t say” it sounds whiny and people hate it.

    Personally I’d add a paragraph here where I’d go off into a short diatribe about the 24 hour news cycle being accelerated by the internet. But that’s a stylistic choice.

    Again your final paragraph has conviction, which is good. But, this time you refered to an earlier argument which hurt you. You can reference the earlier paragraph, but he just claimed it didn’t hold water and your response was “yes it does”.

    Consider instead: “As I said before “short quote from before”. I don’t believe that engaging with things I disagree with perpetuates them. Though, if you have a more effective way of speaking out about it, I’d love to hear it.”*

    List of fallacies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

    For proper logic you want the formal fallacy list, for better arguing you want the informal list.

    *Note: “I’d love to hear it” is a great way to end a part of the argument but it must (a) be specified with which part of the argument you’re talking about and (b) be something beyond repute. It’s a very helpful tool, but used carelessly, it will cut your hand.


  • Hey, this is gonna come off mean, but I’m really hoping some of it will rub off and you’ll take something to heart.

    You initial point wasn’t terrible. This next post lost anybody that may agree with you. Proverbs and quotes don’t win arguments, they come off as appeals to authority.

    In your next paragraph you need to give some room so you don’t come off as unwilling to agree on anything. "I see where your coming from, but “this thing” rubs me the wrong way. “Explanation of why”. In contrast, if what they just said really doesn’t make sense to you: “I honestly can’t understand how you feel that way given that…”

    Either way, this is also where you need to present your evidence.

    Your final paragraph is great. You have conviction in your stance on the argument. Great way to end a first reply where you haven’t been convinced of anything.


  • Okay, my initial reading of these numbers were that the Americas must be shit at accepting people, then I did a short wiki dive and it has this:

    Jus soli in many cases helps prevent statelessness.[11] Countries that have acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness are obligated to grant nationality to people born in their territory who would otherwise become stateless persons.[12][a] The American Convention on Human Rights similarly provides that “Every person has the right to the nationality of the state in whose territory he was born if he does not have the right to any other nationality.”[11]

    And now I’m thinking maybe the numbers are so low in a good way?