Italian here. After the second world war, with a tired and mostly reformed population, Italy was poised to become a modern country capable of sitting at the same table of the G7 nations. For 20 years we enjoyed a level of growth which was possible only thanks to the reconstruction required to recover from the wounds of the war. Inthat same timeframe a centrist political force (DC or Democrazia Cristiana [Christian Democracy in English]) would take control of our institutions promising a moderate model fo governance fat away from both the right and the left extremes. They effectively worked to keep the status quo fixed at the beginning of the '900, having the populace split between the ruling class (those who had the money and the means to have their son’s complete their course of study in universities) and the working class (those who could feed their families and provide them with a roof over their heads). The only incremental improvement the latter could taste was “La dolce vita” (the sweet life), a concept where Italians were able to have a 3 weeks vacation period during summer and the money allowance to be able to buy leisure goods such as refrigerators, TVs and cars.

Fast forward a couple of decades and Italians found themselves stunlocked in a cage, unable to be heard by the politics and asking for a different kind of freedom. We were requesting a social improvement by receiving the right to divorce, to abort and to arrange unions on our workplaces. All rights which were against the status quo and therefore ignored by the (very Christian) ruling party. Give the situation another 10 years (during which the state committed violence against those who spoke about those rights) and the Italian people produced the Brigate Rosse (BR in short, Red Brigades in English), a terrorist organisation with a communist background who was able to exert violence via weapons and terrorist attacks specifically targeted against the ruling class. Result of this time frame, know as “anni di piombo” (lead years) for us Italians? We can now divorce, abort and arrange unions on our workplace.

I have given you this small history fact to make you understand that, even if as a European I am appalled at the idea of owning a fire weapon, sometimes the highest hierarchies need to be reminded that a populace is not just an amorphous aggregate of single people but a force to be reckon with. And personal violence is a very direct and clear message.

From a totally non-partisan standpoint you are full of shit and I hope you’ll eat some of it in a near future.

Kick a bucket soon!!!

That’s really metal \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/

If I may spend my two cents in this discussion I’d like to also propose Mr. Hicks as one of the true thinkers and philosopher of the last century. He had a lot in common with George from a social analysis standpoint and he also saw us humans as bi-faced entities capable of producing both the nastiest and the most beautiful acts while recognising that usually the lowest and most destructive instincts were the one guiding our choices.

As George did for you he also helped me forming my vision of the world and its current state of affairs while also making me laugh manically.

A huge thanks to both these men for helping some of us finding a way to navigate through this sensless journey, you’ll not be forgotten

Well, the statue will be more than material when he will be judged by the law.

The most funny thing is that you believe the infernal potentates are all aligned and following a ruler. By definition the hellish powers are independent and individual in their scopes and objectives, Satan fought God exactly because he didn’t recognize its ultimate authority over his own free will. Confusing Satan with Baphomet is like confusing Drumpf and Putin: they both are evil and terrible people supporting one another when their interests collide while also ready to jump at each other throat should the situation require so, but I would never accuse Drumpf of having moved war to Ukraine since it was Putin to do so.

But I don’t see you as a reasonable person so I presume this distinction will fall flat at your feet. Oh well, nothing bad, the guy will still be judged for his actions and will suffer the consequences (hopefully) for his sensless violence. Keep seething in your ignorance good boy

Okay, you go first tho. I’m following you, believe me, just jump from the bridge first

Kinda sure that’s not Satan but Baphomet. Completely different characters if you know what you are talking about; which is not your case since your Christian mindset doesn’t allow for the retaining of useful information as it is normal for a sheep mindset

That’s not Satan, that’s Baphomet.

A bit of demonology (or culture in general) can go a long way in helping these people avoiding this kind of nonsensical responses.

It’s like if someone were to deface a statue of the archangel Michael and I went on a tirade about how evil all the cherubims really were. Michael is an archangel, not a cherubim. Similar but not the same.

Love how you ran away from your stance as soon as you were required to provide the evidences cited in your comment. Really a true conservative

Ah yes, the Grand Old Projection party.

The “party” p is lowercase because the name is not referring to a proper political party but rather to a group of people came together to have fun among themselves while making the lives of everyone else a living hell, just like frats do during off-seasons.

I’d much prefer a panel if doctors deciding my fate rather than my mother or my father who may be blinded by their own emotions.

Even more if my family members were part of a sect like the Jehovah’s witnesses, for whom not even blood transfusions are acceptable. How stupid do you have to be to leave a loved one to die just to follow the instructions given by illiterate people living 2000 years ago? This kind of decisions should be informed but should also have limits around them. Keeping religion outside if this realm should be a very clear one for instance

Money corrupt anything that wants to be corrupted. Having principles should avoid this corruption but, evidently, Tools have decided they don’t have principles to care about.

And mind you, it was a free and informed decision for them. I cannot fathom anyone forcing a band like them with their reach and love from their fanbase to do anything they wouldn’t be willing to do themselves in the first place

I do like their music and I enjoy listening to most of their albums, from a musical technique point of view there is literally nothing bad to say about the band.

But, recently, I found out that, in order to be able to see them live, one has to be subscribed to their on line fan service which gives access to the pre-order of their live events tickets even before they hit the normal sale channels. Given their fame it’s already hard to be able to find a ticket to one of their live shows, which are also already quite expensive themselves. If we count the cost of the subscription to their fanclub (50$/year) it seems like they don’t care about their less wealthy fans.

This has changed my perspective on the band and its message: before making this discovery I always saw Tools as a group focused on the enrichment of individuals through art and self-improvement. Now I see them as the guys who speak nice words but then act in a complete opposite way for their own benefit, because walking the way they talk about it’s too much of an hassle for themselves.

In conclusion I’ve decided to avoid going to their live concerts and to only listen to their music via open platforms such as YouTube.

Money are not needed for spiritual awakening so I’m sure they won’t be bothered by missing my money from their cachets

Covfefe*

There’s actually another side to consider, religious zealotry and extremism. American Christians (and also some European ones I would imagine) see the existence of the Israeli state as the cornerstone of the prophecies surrounding the return of Christ and the end of times.

This blind belief by itself it’s enough to justify the expenses and costs related to maintaining an Israeli presence in the holy land. They want Jews to be there because it’s part of their prophecy that when Jesus is going to return he will have to punish the people who betrayed him and his father.

When they tell you that drugs are bad and damage your brain they are confusing drugs with religions.

Fucking losers

I absolutely do because, differently from you, I can empathise with a pregnant woman taking one of the hardest decisions she will ever be faced with in her life. She’s already going through a really hard time on her own, she doesn’t need to be put under even more pressure by a stranger giving her even more reasons to hate herself via the silent judgment treatment.

Also, wasn’t Jesus himself who said something along the lines of “do not judge if you don’t want to be judged yourself”? Christians sure are the worst learners when it comes to their own religion but hey, what can you expect from a bunch of bigoted hypocrites who are willing to use the parts they agree with from their holy book while discarding everything which would entail them working on themselves towards becoming more of a decent human being?

If you don’t want to abort don’t abort but don’t go around dictating other people how they should live their lives! Is it such a wild concept to grasp? Be religious at your own home and don’t hassle everybody with your make believe stories about burning bushes and resurrecting dead, thank you very much

Oh yeah baby, give it to me, more gaslighting please and don’t even try to reply to any of my points, the cognitive dissonance would be too hard on your weak brain filled to the brim with bigoted Christian propaganda.watch out for what’s to vone, after his fake business now your idol will have to face his fake electors scheme judgment! Can’t wait to see how that will turn out ;)

Lmao, like I care what a waste of oxygen like you think about me. Ever seen the videos of Jeffery Epstein and Trump together at a party dancing and having a jolly good time? Well, I guess that they also must have grabbed so many pussies together too, and on the young side, if you get what I mean. And Ivanka? Oh dear, she wasn’t Jeffery’s daughter, do you think Trump did watch while he did what Epstein was used to to his daughter? I reckon he did, Trump has always has a crush for his daughter. Who also married a Jew who controlled Trump during his presidency, so much so that both the Zionists and the Saudis are still very happy with him to this day! 2 billions times happy to be precise!! The weakest president in history when it comes to racist and totalitarian regimes, ask Putin or Xi about that!!

But you won’t do shit about all of this, because even if you could understand how much Trump has fucked with your head and your sense of reality you would still vote for him 'cause you know he would give you the chance to be the worst version of yourself possible and God forbid you might become a decent human being, it’s much easier to remain a husk of a person rather than trying to improve yourself. For the first one you don’t have to do nothing, just existing and enjoying being in an animal-like state is more than enough, while for the second you need to accept that you are not perfect, work each and every day of your life to better yourself as a human by learning something or by changing an aspect of you which is not a good one.

I’ll enjoy my myocarditis as much as I enjoy Santa on December the 25th, I’ll watch children like you believe this fantasy while patting your head and telling you “sure darling, now go play with your glue but don’t eat it, it’s not good for you”. And maybe you are like a child, do you still believe a bearded man in the sky is watching everything you do while being an absolute asshole with his judgment? Please tell me you think Jesus is your saviour and that Mary was a virgin after childbearing, this would complete the picture of the moron you already are XD XD XD XD

I absolutely will should the need arise because, guess what? I believe in science and medical professionals unlike you uncultured swine.

Oh, also, the vax you are so adamant you’ll not take was developed and distributed under your cheeto-in-command administration.

“It’s a good vaccine, the best we’ve ever got” were his words if I do recall correctly. Operation warp speed was the name of the development and distribution plan if my memory doesn’t fail me.

How do you feel about that, you poor redneck? Hurts that your idol has betrayed your cause? Of course not, you aren’t able to feel or think like a human since you’re just a step above a monkey but hey, we did already know that even before you answered my comment.

Cheerio

And yet, where presented with an answer explaining you that democracy = all votes have the same value (which is the literal definition of democracy ( you decided to answer “no thanks” and proceeded to keep your wrong line of thinking.

That’s not lazy thinking, that’s no thinking at all. Just like a conservative would do.