Nope, use shotguns and understand how different **chokes can impact spread. **

And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.

That’s literally you suggesting chokes will magically make the spread have great coverage in a short distance firefight with a shotgun. Just stop.

I’m not the one misrepresenting shit. I’m just calling out all the bullshit here on lemmy that potentially will get someone hurt from all you arm chair kids who probably got most of their knowledge on firearms from CoD and Hollywood. I’ve provided actual video proof you and the other commenters are wrong, yet you and a few others continue to spout nonsense. So again just stop. You’re going to get someone hurt who reads this FUDD shit.

I said 2 inches, not a massive wall. Again, I said 2 inches, not a massive wall…

You suggested shotguns wiith birdshot because of the spread and ease to use and lack of penetration through walls. Then suggested chokes…you clearly thought that at 10’ in a home you’d get a nice wide spray.

You’re not getting into a shoot out. Most people run when guns start going off. Also, a home owner may have the gun sitting there untouched for months. A revolver allows you to just pull the trigger again on a misfire instead of having to clear the chamber, which uses both hands.

Why do you have multiple fire extinguishers in your home? You’re not fighting fires? Why wear your seatbelt, your just going to the corner for a drink?.. that’s the dumbest logic ever, home invasions with armed intruders do exist and do happen. You prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Why are revolvers being brought into this now, they’re shit for self defense for most people, they kick like mules and at best have 8 shots, most 6…

Oh I agree. And people misrepresenting what’s being said isn’t helping either.

Nothing I have said is being misrepresented. You and the rest have stated multiple things:

Shotguns with birdshot don’t go through walls

Shotguns are easy to use

ARs are terrible for home defense because they will go through walls

Those are things being presented by the people in this thread. All of which I have refuted with video evidence of the bullshit. Yet it continues to get argued by the clearly naive and ignorant bunch on lemmy.

Watch the damn videos…no where did I say a 9mm will go through more walls than a slug… I stated that birdshot at 10 feet is basically a slug. It has not even left it’s sabot at that distance.

x39 is slightly more kick than 556, unless you’re talking x51, then sure.

https://youtu.be/H6clay9pFaw

No that shit is going through multiple walls. Handguns will go probably through more.

If you want something not going through the walls, scream and yell…

https://youtu.be/j3BlRPtCj2E

Even better video, walls are doubled up and has distance. You’re shit is going through all kinds of walls.

A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.

A 16" barrel AR is going to be much easier for someone with very little experience in CQC using than a damn shotgun or a handgun. They’re not fucking marines…

Also birdshot is not a slug.

Never said it was. Literally said it’s basically a slug at 10’ in a home. Shit is not fanning out to a huge wall of pellets like the comment basically says.

Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.

Please re-read what I said…no where did I state it was a slug.

Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.

Cool, no one is fucking clearing their damn homes like they’re in Iraq…

Nope, use shotguns and understand how different chokes can impact spread.

They are not creating this massive wall of birdshot that you are claiming. Doesn’t matter what fucking chokes you use.

With no choke I would expect a 2 inch spread at 10 feet. 2 inches is a lot of grace in a life or death situation.

Most people have no clue about chokes and there is not a single one giving you a massive wall of pellets at 10’.

Yes it has a lot of recoil, but in reality you’re not getting into a shoot out. You’re shooting once, maybe twice, before the encounter is over or into a scuffle.

ROFL no just no…there is a reason LEOs have gone from revolvers to double stack handguns…fire fights can last a lot longer than the bullets do and you want to be the last person with them. You %100 should not be skuffling with someone trying to kill you in your home with rounds still in the firearm you are using.

The amount of just wrong and ignorance in this thread is astonishing.

Don’t forget the wallpaper, it’ll totally stop the fanned out pellets, they’re like BBs, they’re just gonna sting when they hit the inturder…lol

https://youtu.be/H6clay9pFaw

Holy fuck just stop … Birdshot as I have explained does not fan out. Stop watching cowboy movies. I own multiple shotguns in multiple different gauges and have my own range. I’ve been shooting probably longer than you have been alive. You clearly have never shot a shotgun and telling me you get great coverage down a hallway is complete nonsense, birdshot will not fan out down a hallway. The recoil and weight of a shotgun removes it as a good defense weapon for basically everyone but people who are physically strong. It’s a terrible home defense gun.

Did you all learn everything about firearms from Hollywood?

I wouldn’t use an AR for home defense because I’m not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.

Have you ever shot a gun before? Drywall isn’t stopping shit. Handgun rounds go through walls easily.

I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.

You shot to kill not wound, and a shotgun isn’t easier to use than an AR, on top of that birdshot is not fanning out at 10’ in your home… it’s basically a slug at that distance and will %100 go through drywall.

You’ve been reading some really FUDD shit if you believe anything you typed up.

Edit: lol at people upvoting that complete nonsense comment to this one. Please for the love of Cthulhu people don’t buy a shotgun and leave it in your home for home defense and do not load it with fucking birdshot…get a handgun if you’re afraid of an AR.

AK47, no US arms are there being used, it’s a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.

It’s why they’re in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one

Edit: ITT… people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn’t going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.

https://youtu.be/j3BlRPtCj2E

Stop being stupid… unless you’re shooting 22lr, it’s going through multiple walls.

If that’s the real one, then it’s pretty obvious why they don’t want to publish it. It’s basically saying what everyone feels, fuck these people who, with a swipe of a pen, can kill thousands.

Yea articles like this serve one purpose, management failed RTO…so now they’re trying to sound like they never wanted RTO and hybrid is what they meant. WFH is better in every single way…less traffic, less traffic accidents, less people sitting in smog, less smog, less tire shaving flying around, more time for the employee to enjoy in the morning, the list is a mile long…and there is absolutely 0 positives for RTO.

What is your degree in?

I miss $1 jumbo jacks that were the size of a whopper…and cheesy bean and rice burritos that had pico and creamy jalapeno sauce…also for $1…now it’s like everything taste bland and is 1/2 the size for 3xs the money. It’s really shit, about the only fast food I’ll even consider these days is the hot and readys from little Caesars, but even those have dropped in quality.

Guessing you didn’t read anything from the john hopkins link…like usual. Meat is not toxic, I don’t know where you got that from, calorie for calorie they are not superior in protein, and the leading cause of death of all humans doesn’t vanish because of stopping meat consumption (hint meat doesn’t turn you into a 800lb whale)…the fuck are you babbling about.

I did read it and then completely proved you’re comment wrong with actual sources to back up what I’m saying, something you completely didn’t do

This is also covered by the study and the article I shared above. It would require using more lands for crops that feed people, but that’s ridiculously small compared to the land that would be regained from stopping animal agriculture, which is 75%. Just removing cows would do the vast majority of that.

Again the majority of the land used for cattle is not suitable for crops. So unless you plan on putting houses on that land it’s not going to be used for anything anyways.

Crops for feed can be regained and if most pasture land is inappropriate for crops, some are, so we would gain from freeing those too. Furthermore, this land can be given back to biodiversity, which will also benefit us in the long term, if just protecting biodiversity for the sake of it is not a good argument for you.

O it would be great to have more biodiversity, we need all the insects we can get, but cows aren’t killing off our insect populations, growing crops and spraying pesticides are. Which don’t even get me started on organic…they use organic pesticides which are way more devastating to the environment.

Again, I am not vegan, I mostly advocate for reducing, not forbidding, consumption proportionally to ecological impact. If some people for medical reason require meat, I’m completely fine with it, this would likely be a small percentage of the current consumption.

In honesty, we need vertical farms and lab grown meat. If that could be pulled off then we’d be golden. I’m not against eating plants, but I’m not someone who likes that militant vegans come in and spew bullshit just because they want to feel morally superior to people who eat meat.

Omnivore, not obligate carnivore except for a few exceptions maybe, so we could use a low meat diet or a fully plant based diet fine.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/how-to-maintain-a-balanced-diet-as-a-vegetarian-or-vegan#%3A~%3Atext=Opt+for+vitamin+D-fortified%2CStarting+slowly.

The issue isn’t that we can’t, it’s that the majority of people already eat like crap, which meat helps fill in the blanks. If we went to all plant based, people would still eat like crap and be missing vitamin D and protein.

Also a good chunk of us are already eating a low meat diet because that shit is expensive.

In it’s natural state bison would have been grazing on it. That also doesn’t solve the gripe that vegans have which is that land could be used for crops, which really destroys the biodiversity of land. At least with cattle, you just let them eat anything that grows. Horses are usually terrible for biodiversity because people mow the land and want nice lush fields, were as cattle farmers don’t, they let the cows eat roughage which is actually healthier for them. They also rotate pastures a lot more than most horse people do.