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ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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You literally said this
Or call me when Russians start kidnapping children like the Americans did in…oh wait that’s unique to Russia
And cried whataboutism when they pointed out you were wrong by bringing up what Americans did.
Cuba and Russia, both which exist as they exist because of US meddling. The US was directly responsible for the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR without which this war wouldn’t be happening. The US is directly responsible for cuban economic desperation as they’ve been sieging Cuba ever since the communists overthrew the US puppet dictator and installed a socialist democracy.
Cw: pedophilia, rape
Or call me when Russians start kidnapping children like the Americans did in…oh wait that’s unique to Russia
If you plug your ears and say “lalala” you can ignore the mass kidnapping of vietnamese and cuban children. As well as refugee children that is still ongoing and is connected to pedophile rings.
How about when America stops using rape as a tactic in war…oh shit they did that a century ago
They literally are still raping US female soldiers at ridiculous rates. What do you think they do to women they’ve been trained to dehumanize?
folks, this is the nerd who claims fascist states are freer than socialist states
The DPRK is the least free society on earth right now if you consider that to be socialist
Let me guess, you get your propaganda about them from the country that killed 20 percent of Koreans so that it could keep its fascist puppet dictatorship going, or from its allies.
Hungary, which has fascists in the highest office, is freer than DPRK
It is funny how ignorant you are on what fascism is while claiming I’m ignorant. Have you actually researched how fascism is distinct from liberal democracy? Because liberal democracies with fascists in office can exist without becoming fascist. Fascism is primarily a switch in the primary way of increasing profits changing from abstract surplus labor extraction to concrete surplus labor extraction. If you dont understand what that means, literally learn basic economics.
Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge was quite possibly the least free society in history if you consider them socialist.
Let me guess, you consider the nazis to be socialist too huh? Honeslt this reeks of not knowing your history and falling for the “nationalist socialist” label. If you have a 101 knowledge of their history it is obvious that they weren’t socialist.
Keep crying your tears child because you clearly cannot argue from a position of knowledge.
Tankies that take socialism as a religion are the WORST.
People who take anticommunism as a religion to the point where they endorse fascism as an alternative are the worse. Consider:
Okay, but have you considered, in response to your claim that fascist governments are freer:
Alternatively, a source that should meet with your standards: link
You can’t choose your government, your top executive
You have more say in your government because the bourgeois media apparatus doesn’t manufacture support for their favorite candidates. All candidates get the same amount of advertising… You also cannot choose your top executive in the US, where the executive holds much more power.
nor can you suggest changing what kind of Marxist state you want to achieve.
Source? They’ve agreed that they’re some kind of socialist, Marxists in a political context are all socialists.
Cuba’s constitution wasn’t created by direcy democracy. Direct democracy would mean ALL Cuban citizens would be part of creating the constitution.
Look into how it was made. Everyone was given the opportunity to contribute.
Being able to vote doesn’t make a state democratic when they can fix the vote like Cuba can.
Again, you still haven’t provided any evidence that they fix votes, and you can’t, because international election observers have looked at their election process and haven’t found any evidence that they fix votes. Not letting fascists run isnt “fixing the vote” it is a democratically agreed upon overton window.
Even IF the USA went fascist it would still be freer than almost all socialist nations
The US literally has 100, 000 people in concentration camps and has the largest gross and by capita prison population in the world, which is often used for slave labor. US cops extrajudicially execute 1000 people a year on the conservative side. The US supported apartheid while Cuba sent soldiers to fight against the apartheid government, but yeah, Cuba is the unfree place.
because the kinds of people attracted to socialism aren’t interested in any opposing views or critiques as you are proving right now.
“You’re not agreeing with my misinformed and ignorant takes which proves how close minded you are”
Record scratch, let’s rewind to something
Even IF the USA went fascist it would still be freer than almost all socialist nations
Okay, but have you considered:
What makes it authoritarian is the fact that you cannot change the structure of government from socialism to a different system if that is what the masses want. Authoritarian states are labeled such due to the structure of their systems.
They could pass a constitution that doesn’t say the socialism is an integral part of cuban justice. They just didn’t.
Did it occur to you that there is a very important reason for this, connected to why Cuba is more free than your country?
As an aside you are using a lot if words that you very clearly do not know the meaning of. You can fix that.
Are you upset by me describing a constitution made from the grassroots and passed by a vote among the entire population as direct democracy? Because Cuba is a mixture of representative and direct democracy but in this case it was entirely direct democracy.
So people can directly vote in that portion and that makes the system authoritarian?
What if they voted “you cannot advocate for exterminating x minority” would that also make it authoritarian?
It seems to me you’re pointing at direct democracy and screaming authoritarian because it doesn’t align with what you would have voted for.
https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Cuba_2019
Cite the excerpts that support your claims.
You’ve cited literally none of this. Just anticommunist make shit up hours.
When you get to decide who can run and mandate tbat only one ideology can be represented do you think that’s a free election or a fair one?
You know anyone who is eligible can run right?
It cannot on any level represent the people because only candidates the state approves of can run. That isn’t how it works in democracies. It is why Cuba is not free or democratic because…it’s an authoritarian state like China is.
That isnt true, but if it was,
Why do these nondemocracies have higher approval than democracies? Why do more of their citizens say they’re in democracies?
Now you’re accusing them of fixing elections? Geez.
We’ve established that I think you’re definition of authoritarianism is good and democratic in this context
Candidates don’t run as part of a political party. It sounds to me like you’re just repeating nonsense some anti-communist made up.
Where are you getting that you have to be a socialist to run in Cuba?
Oh, you mean like that thing you’d have to do if you wanted to peacefully or otherwise transition governments and not just impotently complain? He got murdered for that? Huh.
Okay, in the real world they don’t, and they want the state to protect them from a backslide into an inherently violent economic system by targetting people who advocate for that system.
If the people want a different system what is the justice in forcing them to maintain a system that does not work for them?
But they don’t, so there is justice in maintaining that system against a small amount of dissidents and foreign sabotage.
Nothing would happen to me if I advocate for the overthrow if Im not advocating for violence.
Historically this is how black communists get bullets and white communists get prison cells.
There even is a specific right to completely replace the government in the constitution.
And remind me of the mechanism, and how it doesn’t involve forces that are invested in the status quo?
Lmao, this is like saying the US has excellent protection of indigenous culture.
Except for the part that they claim they are part of China, are strongly economically coupled with China, and are full of Chinese people, sure.