Boo. Microsoft buying it did little to improve it, and everything to make it worse :/

haha my condolences. I’ve had to use skype every now and then over the past few years. Every time I tell myself it must be better now, surely. I swear to god for every improvement they make (stability mainly), they introduce 5 new idiotic design decisions.

I was trying to also communicate cheekily, also in my case to reinforce the stark difference in our experiences. I understood you.

I can relate to a few points you are making to some degree. I think my view of slack is largely shaped by having to use Skype and then hipchat for a company I used to work for. Both of those were absolutely shit. In fact if I just read your description of slack issues out of context, I might think you’re talking about hipchat. That fucking thing was the worst I’d used at the time. It was common to not get notifications or messages and the UI was dog shit too. Slack kind of resolved all the issues I saw in hipchat and mostly improved over time. But clearly not everyone felt the same. I’ve never used Matrix, maybe someday I’ll check it out.

We can agree on discord. Never for one moment have I understood the UI, and every time I used it I pretty much always had mic detection problems. And that was on Mac, windows, Linux, native, and web app (even when trying in various browsers).

Thanks for that. I have somehow never used Gitlab myself but I have wondered if CI is always so annoying. GitHub actions are powerful imo, however their documentation is trash and there are many annoyances involved with using them. Typically if I think setting up a new GHA will take an hour, it ends up taking me a day to figure out. Slow, confusing, and poorly designed version of something that could be great. Maybe someday I’ll get to use Gitlab…

The kind of foresight I meant is just seeing that something bad can happen but maybe it can be stopped. We’ve been sprinting toward climate catastrophe for decades now. There’s almost zero chance most of those in power don’t know they’re doing that.

Is there any precedent for any country on earth instituting a long term basic income program? I honestly think the pieces of shit in power in America as of this month would rather watch the entire world burn down than do something like that. Trump might prefer having his penis cut off than doing it. So yeah, even if there’s precedent for something like that, you need someone in power that employs logic more consistently than what we’ve seen for a while.

I kind of get what you mean, and again, not an economist, but I think the only way this capitalism thing ever “worked” was if money constantly flowed. If parts of that flow stop, it’s eventually gonna cause problems even for the rich that even “whales” can’t solve. We’re talking about whether or not money holds any value. Even a lot of billionaires could end up without much in terms of resources if that were to happen. Having a fancy car and house suddenly means a lot less once money is meaningless. I think it’s hard to even fathom all the effects of that, even for people who study economics. We are a few generations deep in this particular kind of society. Hurts my head to think about because it’s so foreign for me to imagine a world without money.

Yeah I’m not sure I can picture that world in light of recent events. Your scenario seems to treat human beings like they have foresight. Unfortunately, we have seen pretty unequivocally that this trait is rare. In fact the existence of this post stems from billions of people noticing the obvious fact: practically no one, not even the rich, seems able to care about what happens in the not-immediate future.

In a mildly sane world, I’d say you’re right about that being a possible path for history to take. But I’ve lost my ability to find the sanity in this world. Sorry, I know this sounds dramatic but it is what it is. I’d love to still be the commenter who’d reply to a comment like mine here to try and instill a bit of hope but…I’m not.

Okay well I guess there’s one way it doesn’t suck. It handles a server load…?

From a user perspective, that ought to be something you can mostly take for granted once an app is out of its infancy.

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Yeah, basically everyone who likes discord hates apps I like. Discord is indescribably trash in all possible ways.

Hard disagree. Do you like discord?

Which service has better CI? Genuine question

I used codeberg and liked it. This is a good reminder to try to stick with it moving forward

There is only one slack chat app used by businesses and while I agree they started adding more useless features after the buyout, I would absolutely still put it at the best app experience I’ve had overall.

Edit: how do you feel about discord? To me that is the absolute shittiest app I’ve ever used, but I’ve noticed people who tend to hate on the apps I like also tend to like discord.

Hm, yeah, I think it’s definitely better now. The things you mention mostly sound like intermittent issues that I would notice for an hour or two actually. I don’t even really hold those against the product since they would have weird glitches sometimes but they always fixed them quicker than any software team I’d been on would’ve.

My thought about electron is that it has trade offs like any other tech. I think it’s cool that web developers can publish cross platform desktop apps without needing to learn a lot of new things and work around as many platform issues. That feels like a construct that would necessarily come at a performance cost. I’d probably be pissed if every app was moving to electron but as it stands I likely don’t run more than 2 or 3 at a time.

I wish that the Firefox equivalent to electron would come back though, because fuck Google.

Haha I see

Cannot tell if this is a joke or what it would imply… That ram is expensive? I didn’t think it was but I haven’t upgraded in a few years now

Name one electron application that doesn’t struggle with state tracking over a long session

Slack. It’s one of the best apps I’ve ever used, and it’s built on electron. Not sure I’ve seen it struggle with “state” in general. It’s buggy sometimes but in the course of using it for like 10 years now I’ve had a 99.9% positive experience. I’d put vscode (electron) at even better status and it was made by a notoriously-shitty software company.

I’m not an economist but I don’t think an entire economy can support itself on whales. We built an entire society off the idea that you need poor people to do jobs no one else will do. If those people starve to death, it’s not like rich people will just do their jobs because they need to be done. Your theory here only makes sense to me if I look at a couple individuals at a time.

Besides being a part of the Google ecosystem, I really don’t get all the electron hate.