ZahzenEclipse

I trust them more than “alt” historians who use flimsy evidence.

Yeah and we need to stop those too.

I’m not sure I’d trust non historians about history.

Well you took the cowards way out. I was hoping you’d actually try to contend with any of the many points they made as it would be an interesting conversation but you had to lean on ad homs in the end.

I’m not sure how much I beleive it negatively affects the climate. I think fossil fuels have to be alot worse.

I think the distance I need to go probably makes it unfeasible for my particular scenario but its definitely something to pay attention too. Thanks for the back and forth.

Okay, but what does a system look like that moves past both? How do you ensure people get resources if you don’t want capitalism or a planned economy?

Do you think if we stop the war on drugs, that will reduce the number of homeless drug addicted people? I don’t think it will. There’s need to be more to it than that, otherwise you’re literally not preparing for the 2nd half of that foot drop.

I largely agree alot of these problems are a result of criminalizing drug use but decriminizing doesn’t solve some of these problems with homeless folks which is probably more related to mental health services.

It’s a relevant point. We don’t allow cigarette companies to advertise to children so should it be acceptable to advertise crack or coke?

Do you think kids should be subjected to people shooting up drugs when playing outside or when going to school?

I am anti drug war personally but if any situation led to it being easier for kids to be subjected to that, that seems like a worse world.

I agree broadly with much of your assessment of history and many of the problems that bely current western society. The rich might be exploiting capitalism to their benefit but a capitalist system with proper regulation will always be better (in terms of Quality of life and freedom) for larger groups of people Than a planned economy.

How far of a distance was it? I’m trying to plan a trip right now and if I drive by myself the plane is easily cheaper. If I go with a group of people then driving is obviously cheaper.

the cost

The reason people use planes typically is its cheaper or roughly the same price when compared to driving - especially if you do t have the efficiency of being able to travel with multiple people.

the chance of getting sick because of the recycled air

Do you have anything to back this up? My understanding, during covid, air plane travel was relatively safe in comparison to other enclosed spaces due to the air filtering equipment.

Suffering isn’t pointless. It makes me and many others feel good if horrible people like Brevik suffer, its justice for the people who suffer everyday due to Breviks crimes. Governments through history have been responsible for a ton of suffering - this is one of those rare instances where it’s fully justified.

But I’ll admit, wanting revenge isn’t great and you’re right, we shouldn’t setup systems to enact revenge. That being said, some people are so terrible they need to be locked up and separated from society permanently. Since enacting a death penalty is both expensive and takes a very long time if you want to have the proper checks and balances to ensure innocent people aren’t being executed, that tells me life imprisonment is the only option for people that would or should be otherwise executed.

Maybe he changes his tune in 10 years and becomes a voice against the terrorism he tried to inspire. That could end up with an at least beneficial outcome for society.

I personally beleive the death penalty shouldn’t exist for people like Brevik. The best case scenario is he suffers for the rest of his days. He can’t be rehabilitated and he shouldn’t be.

His acts were so evil he deserves to suffer. Laws should change to ensure people like him can suffer.

It looks like meat eaters might be the minority on this platform. I agree that technically there’s no difference
in any animal meat trade (barring some details). Vegans got decent arguments for people who don’t beleive that people should eat dogs but beleive in eating other animals. Their arguments aren’t as good if you don’t assign the same value to animals as you do to humans.

Mo and Aisha at 9 - makes me think fundie abrahamic religions don’t care as much about age of consent.

Aww yes because imperialism is based if it’s done by “democratic vote”

Aww yes because imperialism is based if it’s done by “democratic vote”

Does a comment like that actually get you banned?