Oh and I know that I derailed any possible discussion about “Plants feel pain” before it ever came up. Because it doesn’t make sense even if it were true as the most number of plants get brutally murdered for a net negative system that if changed would murder a whole lot less of them.

Partially true and I know it but I don’t give a F anymore now the world has a government that’ll only speed up ecological demise. I feel veganism (or at least reducturianism) is a (albeit very small) chance to slow that down. Thanks for giving me the forum to spew my propaganda.

Partly true because you wrote the system is conserving resources where it really doesn’t. Most of the energy is transformed into non-conserving but destructive forces: GHGs, manure run-off, pollution. A whole lot of energy is used to grow the miserable animal and only a fraction of it is coming out in form of quickly perishable food.

I addressed the 2/3 crop calorie argument already in my previous post. That’s not what the original video was addressing. It was addressing the amount of crops (therefore land use, therefore number of rodents dying on harvest). Again your paper states we could ramp up the production of calories from plants just for humans and could feed some billion more people.

Animal ag is fucking up the planet. Deforastation, killing wild-life, pollution, GHGs, destruction of soils via plant mono cultures and water via run offs causing eutrophication and dead-zones, pandemics, eviction of indigenics. Not to speak of the constant suffering. It conserves nothing.

The study you posted states a logical conclusion in the sense of the self preservation our livelihood. See the last quote in my last post.

I understand that peoples jobs depend on it, that 2% vegans aren’t making a big impact and that rich as fuck capitalist pricks can accumulate billions and exploit low-wage workers and even immigrant children because of it.

You’re free to call it misinfo or propaganda but it’s the stuff I researched for 3 years I’m vegan now. Feel free to abstain from answering if you only want to beat a vegan. I probably won’t engage anyway bc it was all I have to say about it.

Nope. I’m not shifting anything. You were by changing the subject from crops to crop calories without taking into account humans can grow calorie dense foods on relatively small space opposed to animal feed which needs a lot crops, land and produces a lot of plant waste and in addition is inefficient because only a fraction of calories come out of the slaughtered being compared to the initial calories in plants.

All that while we cull millions of feeling beings in the worst possible way right now because of H5N1 (add that to the polycrisis) waste enormous amounts of resources for little protein and calories and destroy nature.

Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

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The paper is from 2013. The number of animals in factory farming were ramped up since then.

Then: She says crops not crop calories.

“From the 41 crops analyzed in this study, 9.46 × 1015 calories available in plant form are produced by crops globally, of which 55% directly feed humans. However, 36% of these produced calories go to animal feed, of which 89% is lost, such that only 4% of crop-produced calories are available to humans in the form of animal products. Another 9% of crop-produced calories are used for industrial uses and biofuels[…]”

55% + 9% = 64% = 2/3

So you’re correct with the 2/3 crop calories(!) if we count the 9% biofuel/industrial stuff with it.

But why is the following?

“According to a 2011 analysis, 75% of all agricultural land (including crop and pasture land) is dedicated to animal production.”

I’d suppose it’s because of this reasons: A. Pastures need a lot of space which for which often woods or rainforest are burned and biomes are destroyed. B. Probably the most eaten vegetable (potatoe) is very energy dense and has a lot less waste by-product and therefore needs a lot less space than animal feed like soy, wheat or corn.

This is everything I need to know from your paper to say that the system of animal agriculture is fucked, wasteful and destroys nature and our health (not only because of the pandemics it causes):

“Put another way, shifting the crops used for feed and other uses towards direct human food consumption could increase calories in the food system by 3.89 × 1015 calories, from 5.57 × 1015 to 9.46 × 1015 calories, or a ∼70% increase. A quadrillion (1 × 1015) food calories is enough to feed just over 1 billion people a 2700 calories per day diet for a year (which is 985 500 calories per year) [1]. Therefore, shifting the crop calories used for feed and other uses to direct human consumption could potentially feed an additional ∼4 billion people.”

Pastures can be regenerated, btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/1ds3fvh/how_to_turn_pasture_into_a_garden/

Edit: The latter is what the “Vegan Land Movement” is doing very successfully by rewilding pastures to wild lands again where a wide variety of wild life is finding a refugium now.

Source?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Z9tJVS1gN1M

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Nice. I started Ratchet & Clank on PCSX2 yesterday. Holy hell is that Emulator a work of art. The graphical options for the emu make that PS2 game still shine and the gameplay is lotsa fun. Sadly the libretro core for Retroarch/Emulationstation bugged out for me and was slow compared to standalone PCSX2.

Also I’m still puzzled how it’s possible there are so many retro-achievements for so many games. I looked up how to implement them and it’s really complicated. I totally underestimated how big the retro games scene still is. I really want to get into the netplay thing.

Is Peru that country where lots of people, even older ones, with physically demanding jobs chew coca leaves before going to work?

I saw it in the evening news show of a main TV channel (Das Erste) here in germany that Gov. Huckabee of Arkansas introduced a law to roll back child labour laws, which seems a few other of the GOP reigned, god fearing states also like.

Where several parts of Iowas new law are violating federal child labour laws (e.g. Hazardous Occupations Orders) and that’s why those states are under federal investigation.

From Europe, I hope your gov keeps the promise of cracking down on migrant child labour in hazardous environment and other trends to return to pre-industrial times (e.g. caregivers who exploit the child labour) and offers those kids better possibilities. Those voters in Iowa, Nebraska and the likes are lost anyway.

Yeah it seems my post got deleted for speaking the truth. Some can’t handle it as it seems.

Semantics and philosophy are nice and fine but don’t make a difference for the animals suffering. In lack of a better definition let’s call it violence. And it isn’t incidental but systematic.

I take back my “Shut up”. But I stand by everything else I wrote.

What makes you think that?

Because it is factually wrong. I’m informing myself about that industry for many years now. I’m not an activist vegan (because where I live that doesn’t take place), but I follow many activists and have seen a lot of videos, so I know what’s going on.

Isn’t it torture to confine mother-sows for month on hard wooden planks in spaces they can’t move at all, laying in their feces and involuntary suffocating their own piglets.

Or breeding chickens that have to give 20-30 times more eggs than their ancestors which leads to calcium deficiency and lets their backbones break.

Clipping teeth, tails and testicles of young piglets without anesthesia?

Shipping calves around the world in container ships in every weather condition without proper food and water supply, where a lot of them die and the ones surviving getting kosher butchered in Morocco?

I could go on an on. I’ve seen some shit. So sorry for being condescending but such takes just make me angry.

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It’s called cultured meat, fyi.

It is day and night. Svelte is nearly vanilla JS/TS. No quirks and surprising side-effects like in React. No shadow DOM. With the new rune system in the next version it will even be better. For me it had the best DX of all frameworks I tried.

I suppose OP is frustrated because the business world hasn’t catched up and most of them still only search for React devs, which is in my opinion very stupid, because React can be so frustrating for devs. The reddit sub for svelte has ever so often posts by them praising the sanity of Svelte.

But it would be a valid point by OP if that is their reason when their income depends on it. We can only hope Svelte catches up in that regard.

I’m have done both, Spring Boot and Laravel on BE and Vue, Svelte and React on FE.

Don’t believe the FUD. Vue and Svelte are fun if you have a moderate understanding of HTML, JS/TS and CSS in your sleeve and those reactive frameworks are indefinitely better than vanilla JS or jQuery. React is another beast and I really didn’t like working with it.

Both Vue and Svelte have nice setup tools for NPM/PNMP (I’d recommend the latter) that create template applications in a few minutes which immediately run inside a local dev-server. Change some code and changes are immediately reflected inside the browser. It’s really a nice DX. And both frameworks have very nice ecosystems and GUI frameworks, e.g. VueUse or shadcn-svelte.

You can watch video after video from those rallies and the ignorance of their attendees never fails to terrify.

In the linked video some older guy speaks about how Biden was replaced by a body double by the still sitting president 45 and he’s secretly preparing the military to intervene next election. Another one thinks Biden will be executed on Trumps coming inauguration.

One attendee is confronted with Trumps ramblings on Truth Social about how he wants to terminate all rules, regulations and articles, even in the constitution and the guy is seriously baffled and promised to look into that. Hard to believe he was honest, considering everyone saw what happened on january the 6th 2021.

I recommend everyone to watch some of the work of Walter Masterson and Luke Beasly.

Great sub and yeah fuck spez