I pre-ordered the game.

Then, very quickly, the full game + all DLC was available for $20. And I was annoyed, because the DLC itself barely went on sale at all. I sure as shit am not about to pay more for it, after overpaying in the first place. So what do I get? Zero DLC. Nice.

I learned my lesson. I’m waiting for the sale on part 2. And on this new prince of persia game.

Didn’t they state that their next game would not be a totk sequel?

I was referring to the comparative death tolls over the course of Israel’s decades long

alright I’m going to ignore the rest of your antisemitic bullshit and just focus on the ratio you picked, probably also out of made-up numbers (and I doubt you included all the Israeli soldiers killed in wars started by surrounding Muslim nations pretending to act on Palestinians’ behalf), to frame the issue without ignoring what actually happened.

Over the past few decades, the Palestinians have started every damn war they could against Israel, including two intifadas, suicide bombings, rockets aimed vaguely at civilians (historically, roughly 1/3-1/4 of the rockets fired from Gaza since 2001 landed in Gaza). Hamas has built plenty of tunnels in Gaza, but no workers, because it prefers to see its civilians die because it makes the statistics more gruesome and keeps their control of the gaza strip going.

Meanwhile, Israelis invest billions into not only technology like the Iron Dome to defend Israeli civilians, but also in warning technology like roof knocking tech, medical tech that it used to save Palestinian lives, including that of Yahya Sinwar, and… Oh yeah, remember the thousands of greenhouses they left in Gaza in 2005 when they unilaterally withdrew? Gee, what ever happened to those?

So Palestinians:

• Don’t defend their own
• Send their own into suicide missions—sometimes, in that history, literally
• Literally kill their own (and count the numbers against Israel in their often made-up statistics, see the Al-Ahli hospital explosion)

It doesn’t matter what Hamas agrees to or doesn’t,

So you don’t want a ceasefire, you want Israel to stop unilaterally and then whatever happens to it next is fine by you, right?

Don’t call it a ceasefire if you don’t know what a ceasefire exist.

up to this point the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis has been 25:1.

Really? 1200 Israelis murdered on October 7th, you’re really telling me that over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed?

You wanna maybe try that again?

what you quoted only makes the Hamas facility the target. Civilians inside that hospital are not valid targets.

Right. So Israel targets the Hamas facility. Sometimes, civilians in the hospital die as a result of attacks targeting the Hamas facility and Hamas individuals. This is what is commonly known as “collateral damage.” It is a tragedy that should be minimized.

Glad we’re in agreement.

What is more collaborative:

“They made an agreement where some Jews were allowed to flee the Holocaust”

or

this shit

fleeing versus encouraging and attempting to extend the holocaust, who were the real Nazi collaborators?

They have bombed a neonatal unit!

Source for this?

a one-sided ceasefire, or a two-sided ceasefire? Would you expect Hamas to keep its end of a ceasefire agreement?

ahh yes. Because the Israeli army has literally no options between “relentless bombing of Gaza, denying access to food, water and medicine,

the IDF turned off its supply of 7% of gazan water for a few days, and is still getting shit for it. Hamas never bothered to maintain the power plant or desalination plant, stole fuel from the power plant that could have been used to keep running the hospitals and desalination plant, and openly dug up water pipes to fashion into rockets. They didn’t even hide that, they were proud of that.

sniping civillians trying to flee according to your demand on the safe routes you designated

You know that bridge was Hamas snipers, right? Israel didn’t have a real presence in that area yet, the closest thing they had was a ship that did not fire small bullets. People initially blamed all the bullet-ridden bloody bodies on the bridge on an Israeli airstrike, and then realized that there was no sign of any explosion anywhere on the bridge, and had to change their story. =/

and bombing ambulances trying to move patients in the same way”

Hamas said that there were no patients in those ambulances, but the IDF had intelligence that there were, in fact, terrorists in them. This is in keeping with a long-standing pattern going back a good 20 years, Hamas loves shuttling terrorists around in ambulances.

Israel could have led an infantry assault into Gaza withou pounding everything first. That would have meant higher casualties though and here shows the true nature of Israels government and army.

I love how, now, people are saying “they should have invaded by land!” when, before the ground invasion began, everybody was protesting the concept of a land invasion and surrounding nations had threatened to declare war if Israel invaded.

They do not care for any palestinian life. So far for every Israeli soldier that got killed, more than 200 palestinian civillians were killed.

You know how I know you made that number up? Nobody anywhere has published any number of palestinian civilians that were killed in this war.

In world war 2 the axis powers killed about 6 civillians for every axis soldier and the allies killed about 1 civillian for every 4 ally soldiers. So the war that was about total destruction and genocide still had more than a magnitude less civillians killed relative to combatants killed.

Please, feel free to cite Hamas statistics here, I’d love to see if they’ve finally claimed a number of civilians vs combatants.

It is. When your enemy is embedded in hospitals and mosques and everywhere else civilians try to go for safety, it gets hard. But I’m sure your alternative is just for Israel to just agree to a one-sided ceasefire and wait for Hamas to shore up its weapons, move the hostages, and repeat its 10/7 attack, huh?

Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting enemy combatants while trying to evacuate civilians, trying to warn civilians so desperately that you warn the enemy combatants too, and killing civilians in attacks that target legitimate military targets and reflect a sufficient level of care to minimize risk to human life, is not a war crime, that’s the definition of “collateral damage.”

There’s no double standard there, that’s the whole issue.

(sorry, I don’t know why I never posted this, I have way too many tabs open)

You know this is propaganda right? That number never came from Hamas go find them quoting it as fact, I’ll wait.

Well, let’s see, where did the Telegraph get its 8,000 number from?

On Sunday the Hamas-controlled Gaza health ministry claimed the death toll among Palestinians passed 8,000, with most of them women and children.

… gee, I didn’t even have to dig one layer deep, the Telegraph itself tells you it’s from Hamas. =/

Let’s focus on the 500, though, who cites the number as a Hamas claim verified by literally nobody else?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-blast-deaths.html

And who else commented on the number?

the Al-shifa hospital director, who estimated it was half of that.

But Hamas just knew in less than 20 minutes, somehow, that it was 500.

The number came from an interview with a doctor right after the attack and it was mistranslated on Aljazeera.

Does the doctor work for Hamas?

Gee, I wonder how a Hamas employed doctor managed to count 500 dead bodies within 20 minutes. Israel is still trying to tally its dead, but Hamas managed to pronounce 500 people dead just in time to falsely accuse Israel of attacking the hospital on Al Jazeera?

You say Hamas wants all Palestinians to be martyrs.

I pointed out how much Hamas loves it when Palestinians die.

what is the disconnect?

why do you people think Israel wants to kill civilians? Do you really think the IDF is just hundreds of thousands of monsters who love killing? What is wrong with you people?

Their intent is that by their “martyring” Palestinian civilians, they’ll be able to use their deaths as PR against Israel.

Yes, that is a cynical take. That’s how Hamas operates.

it doesn’t? I thought I was reinforcing your point…

Well, Gaza’s internet and phone services are up again, but if you’d been paying attention, you know that, in addition, they’ve also been using roof knocking, and also dropping flyers, and every other fucking thing they can manage to warn civilians on every time scale. If you have any other idea how Israel should disable rocket facilities, feel free.

If the point is to destroy Hamas assets and people, there’s no sense in tipping them off about it.

The primary point of airstrikes is to stop the Hamas bases that fire rockets indiscriminately in the vague direction of Israel. They warn people so that people can escape, and then, if people escape, and the rockets are disabled, that’s a win-win. Of course, it would be even better if they had magic airstrikes that only disabled rockets, created protective bubbles around any civilians to protect them from any rubble, and convinced terrorists to just stop politely. But short of that, they’re going to focus on disabling the rockets and warning civilians.

Yes, they call Hamas terrorists and warn them. They’d rather everybody survive than civilians die. Hamas would rather everybody die than civilians live.

It’s not actually possible to take out military targets like that in civilian neighborhoods with air strikes in a “clean” way.

Right. Feel free to recommend something cleaner than airstrikes.

Obviously the only reason they don’t go in on the ground with IDF soldiers if they actually have legitimate targets instead is because the lives of Palestinean civilians are less important than the lives of Israeli soldiers, and they know that air strikes don’t lead to any casualties on their side.

They did go in on the ground with IDF soldiers, what news are you following?

But launching a ground invasion into Gaza every time Hamas or PIJ fired a rocket would be worse, you see how much the world is complaining (and attacking Jews) because of the current ground invasion, right? They’re calling the ground invasion a genocide. Surrounding Muslim nations have been saying that invading Gaza by ground would be an act of war against them, they’re just itching to invade Israel. Ground wars are not safe for civilians either.

Moreover, if you attack a Hamas rocket facility on ground, kill every terrorist, and let every civilian go free, the rockets and rocket-firing infrastructure are still there. You need the soldiers to stay around long enough to dismantle all that and carry the rockets away. In that time, Hamas will obviously attack the soldiers, and the escalation will inevitably result in more destruction.

How can harm be minimized here? Really? There is no sensible solution while Hamas exists. Hamas must not be allowed to continue existnig. (Nor should PIJ, for that matter). That, at this point, is the justification for a ground invasion.

Bibi is a piece of shit, and that is not a defense of Hamas or its use of Palestinian civilians as human shields. If you’re not going to try, don’t bother commenting.

I’m not going to debate with anybody evil enough to call the rapists and baby-murderers at Hamas a “resistance group.” If you’re intentionally going to spread pro-Hamas propaganda, you can go fuck yourself.