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I’ve addressed both popularity (waned - rust is the cool new difficult-to-learn principled language now) and bitrottenness (rock solid). I’m not sure what else you were meaning if it wasn’t either of these.

Absolutely. It’s just that less fuss is being made about it on hacker news because the cool kids say you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn rust when they used to say that you’ll be a better programmer in other languages if you learn haskell.

With stack (consistent package version snapshot database based project starter and build tool) instead of cabal, you get the transferable and repeatable build benefits of docker with none of the hassle. Just stack new at the start and stack build or stack repl during development. Nothing gets bitrotten any more.

I don’t think that’s how it works.

Have you come to 2025 in a time machine? Can I borrow it?

Fair.

I am not in this chart because my favourite programming languages are too nerdy for the cool programming nerds to include in their nerd chart.

As a haskell nerd, I feel that I have the moral authority to declare you king of the nerds.

“Ha! You think your language has macros? You call that a macro?! This list processing code is a list of tokens, why wouldn’t it be able to edit itself?”

It breaks my brain.

TMTOWTDI.

Nerd.

No, it’s just impossible for it to leak out of a hole in the back of your head that you didn’t realise was growing under your pony tail.

I liked tcsh. It was my favourite shell.

I use it for web apps rather than plain pages, and you can certainly use it with your existing css, and you can roll new css in a clean and non-clashy way with elm-css, but, like I say, elm-ui lets you RELIABLY build your ui.

!important This is my work nightmare, but for side projects I use elm and elm-ui and I just don’t need css. So nice, so stable, so robust, so eeeeeasy to maintain. It’s genuinely a delight. Boss nopes out when he sees all the whitespace, though, as if semicolons were the only thing keeping things sane.

The side project is safe from managerial interference. At work though, nothing is functional. Well, boss always claims we’re combining the best of the functional programming world and the best of the object oriented world and the best of the agile world, but what he means is we can have as many buzzwords as he’s heard at conferences as long as we’re prepared to ignore the actual principles and do it the way we always did it. Give him is due, he is not an unreasonable man and will actually support you and listen to sense, but he’s absolutely not interested in fundamental change.

You reminded me of a guy who’s always banging on about how Elm combs the spaghetti in your source code for you and the meatballs and sauce are only mixed in at compile time. He says object oriented programming is like threading the pasta through the meatballs which is OK before anything’s cooked but after that it gets too soft and entangled and the spaghetti won’t thread through so you start again rather than refactor. It was a compelling image and got me curious.

I used it for the second rewrite of a side project WebApp a couple of years ago, and I it felt like I had to do everything from scratch by hand all the time at first, but I have to admit that maintenance has been an absolute dream compared with the old codebase. New features, changed functionality, it’s always good and you don’t need to reunderstand everything because it’s all so separated and I told him he was right. It writes the css for you and I kid you not, I did not miss that flakey nonsense one bit.

Our boss is shit scared of anything even a little bit different, though, so he noped out hard when he saw the syntax and got all shouty about all the whitespace and arrows on the big branching statements before launching into a sermon about how you can’t have a corporate look and feel unless you use css. I lost quite a lot of respect for him that day.

Our code at work is so like the bottom picture. You have absolutely no idea whether you just filled someone’s underpass when you build another bridge over the top and sometimes you just have to kill the whole branch you’ve been working on because adding a f*ing overhead sign collapsed seven other things and no matter what you try, you can’t undo whatever it was that collapsed. I swear, one day we’re going to find that someone accidentally nuked twelve routes six months ago and there’s nothing anyone can do about it any more.

Edit: Oops replying to wrong person sorry.

Ah, this is fantastic. I learned some stuff, thank you.

Mainly they exist because there weren’t central fuse boxes for a while due to wartime copper shortages.

Someone elsewhere in the thread pointed out that the Wikipedia page for BS 1363 says they’re optional and weren’t added to the standard until 1967.

You’re right, now that I think about it. Laptop power does it more than anything else.

Home electricity in North America has roughly half the voltage as elsewhere in the world, and double the voltage is double the arcing potential, so that figures.